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Main => The Great Hall => Topic started by: Sir Knight on 2013-06-01, 14:26:45
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Forsooth, I be new unto this realm that I have walked upon and offer you all my heartiest greetings. Nay, I should wager there be not three, not two nor even one knave, fool or slubberdegullion standing among these brave and courageous men and women.
I'm 18 and I am greave deep in tomes. I have a kit of my own, which my mummy sewed for me. But I did the gluing, painting, sanding, cutting and maille modifications. As long as you ignore the first bit, I sound pro. 8) My dream is to learn how to joust like a real knight.
When I subscribed to this forum it said unto me 'Halt, stand and declare thineself, lest you be put in the junk folder!'. It took me 20 times or something to get the impossible to read verification thing right.
But I am here! Hello. I am keen to share and recieve much knowledge and will go forth to ask one right now.
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Welcome to the Modern Chivalry forums! Well met, and enjoy your stay!
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Hail, and well met! Welcome to the forum!
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Hail and well met Sir Knight! I'll let Sir Wolf do the obligatories when he reads all this about your kit ;D and lo! I am no longer the lowest in seniority as the penitent noob!
It's a great group here, with tons of resources and knowledge for you to enjoy. Also, you being only 18 and joining the group gives me hope that there is a bright future ahead with today's youth ;) Also we do enjoy a good joking every now and again.
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/550x/79/96/c2/7996c261b02d30d6380078730032e65d.jpg)
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Here's my damn sexy kit, notice the absence of a shield. Usually I cheat and wield a bossed kite shield, but, if I took off the boss and sanded the top a bit I might get away with it. I'm a mid to late 12thc. knight with Templar accessories. The 'bile green' makes it look like I'm an extra in a 1950s historical drama, I like it.
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad238/PunkRockerPenguin/P1010972-1.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/PunkRockerPenguin/media/P1010972-1.jpg.html) (http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad238/PunkRockerPenguin/P1010974-2.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/PunkRockerPenguin/media/P1010974-2.jpg.html)
Galvanized steel is very shiny unfortunately, but now I don't have to worry about it rusting. It's 16 gauge, 9mm and flat ringed with domed rivets.
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Welcome! So whats your name and where do you hail from?
-Thorsteinn Raudskeggr (SCA name)
Silver Desert, Cynagua, West Kingdom.
(mka Sparks, NV, USA)
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Hail Thorsteinn!
The SCA is fantastic for activities, but for the fighting... I did at one time informally participate in training activities at the SCA in Victoria/Australia, but the fighting wasn't really for me. The branches are small too sadly.
I don't like the system of getting hit, going on your knees or losing an arm depending on impact, having to philosophically judge how hard you were hit, deal with people who get angry if they think you're cheating them, etc. Some people actually do try to hurt you, which is really scary.
What I prefer is just sparring. Not purposely trying to disable opponents, just going for different spots and being blocked. The armour is a formality for when a shot gets through. But you aren't purposely trying to hit people. It's just more fun when you take that component out. I'd prefer to do mock fighting with live steel, however, such things are difficult to find where I live.
Also call me a bit old fashion, but the formality of the SCA can be a little overbearing. I don't like standing around and shouting 'huzzah!' and bowing to everybody. I do like the idea of it being an authentic experience for everyone and seeing people wearing authentic things and speaking in a non modern way, but the overly formal setting is daunting sometimes. :o
I don't want to spoil anyone's enthusiasm. I think the SCA is great, but some aspects of it just don't suit me and I am happy so many people do enjoy it.
A persona was something I never developed, as I prefer to be myself. It lightens my duties as actor, moreover, it allows me to play myself but with a knightly voice. 8)
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Sir Knight,
well said about your personal feelings about the SCA. It's a great venue for a lot of people, I dabble in it for major events, but am not an official member myself for much of the same reasons as you. I feel Thorsteinn lucked out. He's from Kingdom of the West, which is the original kingdom of the SCA and they do, along with Caid to their south, seem to fight differently than here in Atenveldt.
That's a beautiful kit btw. There's always room for improvement, as I'm sure you know, but that is such a sweet kit for you to begin with and develop a base from. Also, a kite is totally acceptable for the 12th century ;)
I too, have my persona mainly developed as me, but in the 1200s. Basically I would be a veteran of the Third Crusade, and after long reflection and discussion about it here:
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,849.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,849.0.html)
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2428.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2428.0.html)
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2279.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2279.0.html)
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,269.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,269.0.html) I came to realize that I would have more than likely been a Knights Templar. The more research I have done, just on the crusades mind you, and St. Bernard of Clarivoux, the more I was drawn to that order.
It's funny too, in the beginning, I must admit to my lack of history knowledge and research, and didn't appreciate the Knights Templar for who I truly now believe they really were. I just knew about their trials of heresy from school, where unfortunately, they talked more about the Templar's end rather than their beginnings. And unfortunately, "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "Assassin's Creed" games also prejudiced my eyes. Now, I feel drawn to them, to "set the record straight" as it were, in my own way, and to portray one as accurately as I can in respect to the honor of these fine men.
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And being from the West I know good folks in Lochac (it used to be ours :) ). I could get you in touch with them if you're still in Australia. :)
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Thanks Patricius!
You're right, people can get the wrong impressions of forgotten times because of modern entertainment. I think that, although in some cases great research and effort is invested in creating a believeable experience, some of those corners are cut to make things easy on themselves and allow more liberties in their 'world'.
My kit definitely needs tender loving care. I doubt anyone recognises the backdrop, that's me at Kryal Castle. It's more a theme park than a real castle but it is a great chance to strut around in my kit. The main things I need to work on are the gloves, boots and tailoring the armour. I used silver to rivet maille in where it was too low at the chin of the coif, which is fine, but I need to find somebody local who can do it properly with steel rivets.
Sadly, the only medieval fair in Victoria closed down. Used to be at an old cheese factory for around 10 years, then it disappeared. Now there are few chances to participate in such things. I did go to a monthly SCA event where all the branches come together to train and just hang out, but as I said, it's often just standing around shouting 'huzzah!'. The real magic of the SCA, for me, comes from the fantastic skills and trades that are practiced.
So right now I'm looking for a place to do some live steel fighting. I've never used a real sword before, but I'm willing to learn. The laws of owning a sword are strict here, you need to purchase a license from the police or you need to be in an exempt group.
Plus, when you get your sword, it has to be stored in a place which is bolted down and indestructible. I think any intruders would just stab me with a butter knife and THEN steal my sword when they were done. :o
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The laws of owning a sword are strict here, you need to purchase a license from the police or you need to be in an exempt group.
Plus, when you get your sword, it has to be stored in a place which is bolted down and indestructible. I think any intruders would just stab me with a butter knife and THEN steal my sword when they were done. :o
Ouch, that's pretty strict.
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huzzah and welcome!
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I'd really like to know how they define "indestructible". Cannon proof? :) That's very strict indeed.
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I welcome a more medieval time period to our legal system. Simple in format with no technicalities or long-winded legalize. Just an admonition or admission of guilt, followed by penance, and punishment that will bear real accountability & justice to those wronged. Too many rules making it complex and easy to avoid accountability for one's actions. Lord as judge, parties as combatants, and let justice be done. :)
Men (of age, competency, capability, and responsibility) should need no permission to bear arms to their own defense, their homes, their country, or their Lord. Period!!!
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Well met and welcome!!!
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Sir Knight,
if you're willing to learn, I have excellent resources to help you rivet your own mail. It's also a much cheaper alternative. It's not too bad, just tedious, but once you get going it can become quite fun.
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Men (of age, competency, capability, and responsibility) should need no permission to bear arms to their own defense, their homes, their country, or their Lord. Period!!!
If you change that to 'people' then I'm 100% behind that statement. Would that we could adopt a more medieval approach to LE and justice in general.
Hail and well met, Sir Knight. I believe you'll fit right in here, mate. ;)
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Men (of age, competency, capability, and responsibility) should need no permission to bear arms to their own defense, their homes, their country, or their Lord. Period!!!
If you change that to 'people' then I'm 100% behind that statement.
I'm fairly confident he meant the proverbial 'men' and didn't intend to exclude women.
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Ha. Knowing Dane, I wouldn't be so sure. ;)
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Ha. Knowing Dane, I wouldn't be so sure. ;)
Ian is correct in my reference & as far knowing me Sir William ... I could be a woman for all you know. LOL :P
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LOL ;D to the above.
Seriously I wish something could be done too, a more "Wild West" or "Medieval Law" would be nice. Restraining Orders are just a piece of paper that pisses the perp off in my case, so we haven't. Same with anything else. We're just hoping our "issue" just goes away.
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Ha. Knowing Dane, I wouldn't be so sure. ;)
Ian is correct in my reference & as far knowing me Sir William ... I could be a woman for all you know. LOL :P
I might be slightly surprised, but not completely. ;)
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Ha. Knowing Dane, I wouldn't be so sure. ;)
Ian is correct in my reference & as far knowing me Sir William ... I could be a woman for all you know. LOL :P
I might be slightly surprised, but not completely. ;)
I hope he is a woman, we need more of those in this forum, barren of the fairer sex. At the very least, a sex change would be better than nothing. If I'm allowed to make a slightly racy joke, most knockers we see on TV these days are not real anyway. ;D
Edit that out moderators, I don't want to get banned without making more than 10 posts. :-X
I'm fairly confident he meant the proverbial 'men' and didn't intend to exclude women.
I used to say 'man' as in the human race, but people thought I was sexist. Unless I was talking about the human race in bad light, in which case they didn't mind. ;D
This conversation reminds me of how every second 'story' in the 'news' is about someone being sexist/racist. It seems to me there are more people spending time feeling offended than there are people actually being offensive.
I mean to ruffle no feathers with that, but I'm sure you can all agree with me outside this forum is a mad world, that's why we're here, that and the history. 8)
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Sir Knight,
if you're willing to learn, I have excellent resources to help you rivet your own mail. It's also a much cheaper alternative. It's not too bad, just tedious, but once you get going it can become quite fun.
Thanks Patricius!
I used silver as I mentioned earlier, but steel would make me feel like it was 'done'. It wasn't riveting as it should be, but it worked. It was simply a matter of getting silver wire the right diameter, cutting it the appropiate length for each rivet and, due to the softness of the metal, using a pair of pliers.
I'd love to know how to do it properly with steel. Is it possible to used galvanized steel or does it involve heat?
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Nothing PC about my everyday speech. I just tend to tame it at times when appropriate. Tact is needed. However, I love to ruffle feathers & offend whenever feasible (especially those so easily offended). LOL ;D Makes it more fun!! :) In medieval times, my mouth would have resulted in lots of brawls. Picture a hockey game being hosted at the local tavern with an open bar.
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Just have to be careful with that. People have been killed for less. ;)
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I'd love to know how to do it properly with steel. Is it possible to used galvanized steel or does it involve heat?
Don't heat galvanized!! The fumes are poisonous!
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Nothing PC about my everyday speech. I just tend to tame it at times when appropriate. Tact is needed. However, I love to ruffle feathers & offend whenever feasible (especially those so easily offended). LOL ;D Makes it more fun!! :) In medieval times, my mouth would have resulted in lots of brawls. Picture a hockey game being hosted at the local tavern with an open bar.
lol I used to do that in my college town. I had a buddy that owned a sports pub, sometimes he would get these rowdy groups of no-gooders frat boys in there. I'd go up to each group, tell them how their rival was talking about them behind their backs, and then just let it go from there! ;D I know it isn't the nicest way to do things, but it certainly was entertaining.
Thanks Patricius!
I used silver as I mentioned earlier, but steel would make me feel like it was 'done'. It wasn't riveting as it should be, but it worked. It was simply a matter of getting silver wire the right diameter, cutting it the appropiate length for each rivet and, due to the softness of the metal, using a pair of pliers.
I'd love to know how to do it properly with steel. Is it possible to used galvanized steel or does it involve heat?
It involves heat first off, so definitely don't do it with galvanized steel. Believe it or not, you've pretty much already got the worst of it taken care of. Coiling the wire and setting the rivets can be two of the most tedious and frustrating parts, but then again it all depends on your outlook and the music you're listening to while you work ;D
here's some links for ya bud:
youtube videos of making riveted mail
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2475.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2475.0.html)
mail with leather edging
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1560.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1560.0.html)
Sir Ulrich's coif made by THE MAN of mail, Erik D Schmid
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2141.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2141.0.html)
my journal in experimental archaeology making my own riveted mail hauberk and chausses
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2530.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2530.0.html)
and for your sanity while working on it :o
good movies for inspiration and fun while you work
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2477.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2477.0.html)
epic music playlist
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,756.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,756.0.html)
I must say finding out about "Two Steps from Hell" here is probably the greatest gift I could receive from this group. I listen to their albums all the time now while working on my mail.
Also feel free to contribute to any of those posts. Like I read Sir Edward say when I first joined, feel free to necro post about something already stated, it may refresh it and start it anew
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BTW Sir Knight: Your Queen is hot, and a sweetheart (yup, met her :) ).
http://lochac.sca.org/lochac/pics/photos/22-crown.jpg (http://lochac.sca.org/lochac/pics/photos/22-crown.jpg)
EDIT: Fixed a little
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BTW Sir Knight: Your Queen is hot, and a sweetheart (yup, met her :) ).
(http://lochac.sca.org/lochac/pics/photos/22-crown.jpg)
I have a thing for white squares with little green marks in them. :D
(The pic link is broken)
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Well met and welcome to the forum!
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Well met! It's good to see other young guys doing this!
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Welcome to the boards Sir Knight, and good speed to you.
G.