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Main => The Great Hall => Topic started by: FreelancerJericho on 2014-08-14, 21:26:32
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Brand new and glad to be here. I don't currently have any armor but I am working on it. So hello everyone.
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Greetings and well met!
I am new too but everyone here is the awesome. It didn't take me long to notice that at all. So welcome! :)
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Thank you and nice to meet you Eva.
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Welcome to the Modern Chivalry forums!!
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Welcome!
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Welcome to the forum!
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Greetings and welcome!
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Welcome and Well Met!
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Greetings newcomers and welcome to the medieval world.
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Welcome to the forum!
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Hail and welcome!
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Welcome to the forum!
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So many people in awesome armor. Could any of you give me some tips?
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So many people in awesome armor. Could any of you give me some tips?
I wrote a bit of a guide for the person new to reenactment if you're interested. The concepts can be adapted to other things like the SCA or other organizations:
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,3207.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,3207.0.html)
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What kind of armour do you want?
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Hail and well met.
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Well I've got an "armor set" picked out but it's for barbarian look. Gonna buy it piece by piece.
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So... Pre 3rd cen Gaul or Hun?
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Really not sure. I couldn't find a set that I wanted to I figured I'd order different pieces and then work on them and customize them myself. The pieces are a visored barbute helm, gorget w/ pauldrons, gauntlets, a tasset belt, greaves, gambeson, coffin shield, and an ulfbert style sword. However I decided I want more of a nights look, but without having too much that I can't dress myself.
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That's sadly a very large range of options. I think you should go under the armory section and take a look at the "So you want to buy some armor?? Here's a 'get started' guide!!" And "DOs and DONTs when planning and buying a set of armor (harness)" posts. That way you can get a general idea of knights over the ages and get a good idea of how to approach the way you make your kit. That way you know what you want before you buy something and later realize you made a mistake. Believe me, I'm guilt of it.
Then when you think you are ready, you can make a post under the armory section. That way everyone can pitch in and help you make your kit properly.
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Fun fact: Barbarian, from the Greek Barbaros(βάρβαρος / βάρβαροι), meant "One who does not speak Greek" as all the other tongues were just babbling thus "Bar Bar" which is a nonsensical syllable in Greek as that is, to them, what all other non-civilized folks were saying.
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Oh. BTW I was going to get the stuff from a site, medievalcollictibles.com but before I do I want to know if their "function armour" is worth it. I just got my first job at DQ and I start next week, and I don't want to buy a bunch of non usable armor.
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I recommend kultofathena instead, it a more reliable site to buy stuff from. They usually have a good description of the product and keep it at a good price. They are also quick and honest in responses to any emails you send to them. I believe its safe to say that me, and many others, would not recommend medievalcollectibles to purchase stuff from. The best place is from perhaps an actual armorer. Also, it depends on what you plan to use the armor for. Is this for reenactment, SCA, or just to look cool!
You can browse around a bit:http://www.kultofathena.com (http://bit:http://www.kultofathena.com)
I have purchased many things from there and have been satisfied with their products. But it also depends on the maker of the product, for that can affect the quality of it.
If I may say, its best if you purchase the necessary under garmets first, for that will allow you to build up your kit. It also helps with measurements, that way you know the size armor you need to fit on your gambeson and other padded arming ware.
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Welcome to the forum!
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I checked out kult of Athena and the sell a lot of the same stuff. Medievalcollectibles seems to just have a wider variety.
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I don't want to buy a bunch of non usable armor.
There is the question "What are you going to use it for?"
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I want to be able to wear it for reenactments, but for that it has to be my size and I of course atleast want to walk in it, its got to be flexible to a point. I want to do sword/shield sparring, but its highly questionable if I even will.
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How old are you? Where are you? Do you have any physical limitations? How much are you looking to spend? Are you adept at making things or willing to learn?
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18 :( ,Huffman TX, long story but my right foot is a bit messed up and will be for a while, 3000 and I'm definitely willing to learn.
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Just outside Austin Texas is the shop of Therion Arms (http://www.therionarms.com/). I recommend checking out Hal Siegel’s shop as he’s well known in the industry and has a great reputation.
The previous recommendation for KOA is solid as well. They are great people with rock solid customer service.
Also take a look at Windrose Armoury (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/) out of Snowflake, Arizona. I’ve done a lot of business over the years with them and find their products and customer service to be top notch.
Everyone on this forum is very helpful and will go out of their way to give you tips. The most important of which is “take your time.” You may have money burning a hole in your pocket, but resist the urge to splurge. Take a step back, look around, talk to people locally, find an SCA group, find a HEMA group, and put together a plan. Read books from your local library, on line, or borrow from a friend. There are great reference lists on this forum (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/board,5.0.html) as well as others (http://www.myarmoury.com/books/). I know it doesn’t sound exciting, but the end result will be better. :)
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Everyone on this forum is very helpful and will go out of their way to give you tips. The most important of which is “take your time.” You may have money burning a hole in your pocket, but resist the urge to splurge. Take a step back, look around, talk to people locally, find an SCA group, find a HEMA group, and put together a plan. Read books from your local library, on line, or borrow from a friend. There are great reference lists on this forum (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/board,5.0.html) as well as others (http://www.myarmoury.com/books/). I know it doesn’t sound exciting, but the end result will be better. :)
This.
As mentioned previously, definitely check out Sir Ian's and Sir James' posts in the Armory concerning buying armor. They're an excellent source of information. And don't be afraid to ask questions. We have folks here that know their way around SCA, Living History, armor in general, and all kinds of other topics. You're in good hands here. :)
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Everyone on this forum is very helpful and will go out of their way to give you tips. The most important of which is “take your time.” You may have money burning a hole in your pocket, but resist the urge to splurge. Take a step back, look around, talk to people locally, find an SCA group, find a HEMA group, and put together a plan. Read books from your local library, on line, or borrow from a friend. There are great reference lists on this forum (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/board,5.0.html) as well as others (http://www.myarmoury.com/books/). I know it doesn’t sound exciting, but the end result will be better. :)
This.
As mentioned previously, definitely check out Sir Ian's and Sir James' posts in the Armory concerning buying armor. They're an excellent source of information. And don't be afraid to ask questions. We have folks here that know their way around SCA, Living History, armor in general, and all kinds of other topics. You're in good hands here. :)
As stated, this says it all. Ask any of us on any topic you have interest in and we shall advise you. We all have our specialties and are all well-rounded in these matters. We are a very diverse group/forum with multi-talents in all things medieval.
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Wow yes, taking time and avoiding splurging. That's a great tip, but one that is hard to follow.
We all end up with a drawer (or room) full of stuff we don't use anymore, because we didn't know better when we bought it. ;)
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That is unless you are one of those blessed individuals with “unlimited” income! ;)
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That is unless you are one of those blessed individuals with “unlimited” income! ;)
Then you end up with a house full of stuff you don't use anymore. And then a storage unit. ;)
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This is one reason I live in a very small space, so that I have to be careful what I buy. Otherwise I end up with way more than I need. And looks from hubby. That and I have to be very careful with funds anyway so it is a natural barrier. :D a frustrating one but one none the less.
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That is unless you are one of those blessed individuals with “unlimited” income! ;)
Then you end up with a house full of stuff you don't use anymore. And then a storage unit. ;)
How did you know Ed?? LOL :P
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Thanks for all the links. Been spending this morning reading them. I might have a good conclusion soon. At least I hope so.
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I can't find a place and time that I would use. I want as much leg, neck, head, and hand protection but I also really want to use a shield. So I don't really care much for metal over my chest but definitely my legs and spine, so I want to have a strap on my shield so i can cover my back when I'm not using it. Also I don't want to draw my sword from my waist but rather my back.
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I think a mid 14th century kit is your best bet for what your looking for. You may like splinted armor and a coat of plates. But some forms of plate did exsist too. As for the sword on the back though... It is very impractical and not used very often. I believe there was a conversation on the forum at one point on the disadvantages of a sword on your back, or, any weapon at that. Not recommended.
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Back scabbards are generally a fantasy trope and have little basis in history. There are some random examples in Asian cultures of swords on the back, but they're usually secured by a belt at the waist, not actually strapped to the back, and even then they usually have to rotate the whole scabbard around their body to a position that allows the sword to be drawn. It's all but impossible to draw a sword bigger than a toothpick from a scabbard strapped to the back without some very bizarre designs. There's also no evidence for it in medieval Europe. Even the exceptionally large zweihanders of the 16th century are almost always depicted in woodcuts and various media as just being slung over the shoulder and held in the hand.
TL;DR - if you're after a historical kit, no back scabbards.
It sounds like you may be leaning toward a fantasy flare with your kit ideas though, which is fine. But even then, a back scabbard is very impractical in real life.
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Use forum resources such as Modern Chivalry, myArmoury, and Armour Archive as secondary or tertiary sources. Explore posts that reference, and link, to primary sources. Much is said on public forums without citation. Look up those primary citations, read them for yourself, and make an informed decision.
Discussions regarding the “sword on the back” thing are easy to locate using the various forum search functions. Read the posts that provide solid, documented, information. I’m afraid that a “sword on the back” will not provide you with an acceptable draw, nor will it be easily documentable (beyond simply carrying the weapon from point A to point B).
Historical accuracy usually breaks down along the lines of (from highest to lowest):
Living History groups – Highly documented kits.
SCA – Accuracy is all over the place from low to mid to living history level.
Renaissance Festival – Accuracy is all over the place with most in the low to mid accuracy levels, a few will be highly accurate.
LARP – Accuracy is generally low with a few exceptions.
These are very basic, generalized statements (notice - no citations ;) ). All this only matters if you want a historically accurate kit. If not, then knock yourself out, have fun, and be happy! That’s what truly matters. :)
In the end, of course, you will choose the one, true century – 14th! ;D
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Not sure what era this is but I like it, however I would change the helm to the visored barbuta helm.
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That kit is a 12th or early 13th century Knights Templar. That style helm came almost 200 years later. For the barbuta used under that visor looks like the Millanese one. Tell me what you think of these Mid 14th century kits. From what you have described to me so far in elements you want for your kit, these might be right up your alley.
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The first* picture definitely! That's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. Use helm 6 from the second pic and the gauntlets from the third.
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It seems what you want is about 200 years or so after the first Crusade. That'll give you the leg/arm armor you're wanting without the necessity of a full breastplate (which you said you didn't want), and you'd still use a shield, albeit slightly smaller than the heater shields of the Crusades.
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Think I might make a fantasy or non specific one first, then once I've been around for a while make a very time specific one.
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The helm you want is period for about 1300, the example it's based off of is called the Bolzano helm which I know plenty of what was used during that period. (heres a link to all kinds of great helms http://www.liebaart.org/helm (http://www.liebaart.org/helm) ) Though the gauntlets you want weren't used till at least 1330. For that I would suggest a hauberk without attachable mittens. Though that helm type could of been used later as well as great helms were in use till at least 1330. If you want a visored helm you should go with a visored sugarloaf if you're doing that period. If you want help building a kit I can easily link you to places to get stuff for the best prices, I guarantee it. I am on Facebook if you're interested or you can PM me here and I can list where you can get everything. Though the first thing I would suggest would be a set of arming clothes then maille and helmets. Coat of plates were used as early as 1250 and most of the visby models date to 1290 which is more than close enough time to use the helmet you want. I also know where you can get a helm like that though shipping will be a bit.