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Title: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-20, 22:19:10
Need to start saving up for an sca kit, I was thinking about starting here.
I Have checked out the links that the knights provide for other people that ask questions like these but im also looking for some opinions.
http://www.medieval-fightclub.com/products/Visby-coat-of-plates-%252d-1.6mm-steel.html (http://www.medieval-fightclub.com/products/Visby-coat-of-plates-%252d-1.6mm-steel.html)
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-20, 22:22:37
This was on
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6&products_id=22 (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6&products_id=22)
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Lord Chagatai on 2013-10-20, 22:43:31
Windrose Armory....is where I get a lot of my stuff....they are great guys too...


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Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-10-21, 04:54:02
What would you like to know?

-SCA Fighter & mixed Marshal for 13 years.
6 time Cynaguan Guardsman.
Member of the war unit Tribe Rot Mahne.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-21, 19:05:42
more places, good prices, good items, especially sca approved weapons.
and if i choose to make a shield how thick and what wood should it be.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-10-22, 06:38:55
more places, good prices, good items, especially sca approved weapons.
and if i choose to make a shield how thick and what wood should it be.

SCA specifications for armor & weapons are typically defined of their website for each kingdom or for any tournament they hold. For rattan, I would not recommend LARP stuff or latex made equipment. Make sure what you get in decent gauge of steel if you plan on SCA fighting. Head & Hands first (Most important because that is what someone like us will target).

For shield making, I would get stuff designed for a beating. Wood is more authentic and practical. Steel is preferable. If using plywood, make sure it is durable and flexible enough to form to your design of shield. Round shields and heaters are most common. Some guys like the kite shields as well. It's all preference. You want something light-weight but durable/good protection. We have some links on here for how to make a proper one.

Round shields and heaters (typically 24-36 inches) for SCA are standard. Some allow larger but I would not go smaller unless you are going for a buckler type. Make sure you have solid fittings and a good grip that's comfortable on whatever you make. Then line it with some form of canvas along the front and border it with a steel/metallic trim.

Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-10-23, 18:18:46
Are you an authorised fighter & how long have you been fighting for?
Have you read your Kingdoms Heavy Combat rules?
What time & place are you aiming for?
What's your budget?
Have you checked out The Armour Archive, Icefalcon Armouries, Clang Armouries, Aesir Metalwyrks, or By My Hand Designs (on Faceook)?
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-23, 19:33:04
its kind of a long time away.
but once im 16 and have a job.
or as soon i have a job, i will save for the stuff, and save for hema classes.
my budget in my guess is 1k.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-23, 19:33:52
now i know there is no metal allowed but, what are there weapons?
arent ther sythetic swords you can buy?
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Ian on 2013-10-23, 20:41:04
SCA weapons are made from lengths of rattan.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-24, 01:43:27
ah, what about these, I dont know if there just larp but...http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-15396-xtreme-synthetic-sparring-single-hand-sword-white-blade.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-15396-xtreme-synthetic-sparring-single-hand-sword-white-blade.aspx)
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-24, 01:50:38
maybe this is a better conversation for the Armoury.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Ian on 2013-10-24, 11:40:04
Let me rephrase.  SCA weapons have to use lengths of rattan.  :) That's the game they play.  Most of their armor requirements and safety rules are based around them using 1 1/4'' diameter rattan weapons.

From the SCA Marshall's Handbook:

Quote
. Single-Handed Weapons: Weapons that shall be used in one hand shall have the following requirements:
1. Single handed weapons shall be constructed of rattan or rattan-cored Siloflex or Siloflex equivalent and
shall be not less than 1 1⁄4 inch (31.8 mm) in total diameter (including tape) along its entire length
excepting the handle.

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Two-Handed Weapons. Weapons which may be used with one or two hands shall have the following
 requirements:
1. Weapons shall be constructed of rattan of not less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm) in diameter (including tape).
Polearms may contain blades constructed of split rattan, so long as the piece(s) are securely fastened to the
haft.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-10-24, 14:36:30
ah, what about these, I dont know if there just larp but...http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-15396-xtreme-synthetic-sparring-single-hand-sword-white-blade.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-15396-xtreme-synthetic-sparring-single-hand-sword-white-blade.aspx)

That looks like the Rawlings synthetic trainers. As Sir Ian was saying, only Rattan weapons are used in SCA heavy combat. But the plastic trainers are OK for some forms of WMA/HEMA training, depending on what you're doing. Personally I'm not a huge fan of the Rawlings synthetics (and much prefer the Purple Heart synthetics), simply because they bend quite a bit in the bind, making winding more difficult to do properly, and they tend to flop over each other in parries.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-10-24, 14:53:02
i kinda like that coat of plates.

the spaulders are "off" to me.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-10-25, 02:45:29
I definetly want a coat of plates more than a platebody.
I guess I would have to construct my own rattan sword in a few years then.
or buy one, but that would be more like something I'd want to make.

Alright guys thank you for your feedback.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2013-10-25, 03:02:53
Where can you buy ratten weapons? And or how do you make them?
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-10-25, 06:43:23
Where can you buy ratten weapons? And or how do you make them?

You can order rattan wood ((i.e. bamboo) shafts already to SCA specifications online at ebay (really cheap). You make them into the weapon of your choice but to requirements of SCA by measurement, thickness, etc. www.sca.org (http://www.sca.org) has the listing by kingdom. Swords, pole weapons, axe are common SCA rattan weapons. They use blunted, padded shafts which can also be bought online.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Ian on 2013-10-25, 10:17:55
Hey guys, I wouldn't go start buying up a bunch of SCA kit stuff if you've never been to an SCA meeting.  Each kingdom has varying rules, so you'd need to find out exactly what your specific group's requirements are, and they'll be better able to guide you on what they use.  Also, without ever having been to an SCA meeting or fighter's practice, you really don't even know if you like it.  They have loner gear for new folks to wear to make sure it's something you enjoy before you start dropping hundreds of dollars on kit.
Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Lord Chagatai on 2013-10-25, 12:55:36
I agree with Ian go to a practice and fight to see if you like it...it's not for everyone...


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Title: Re: Sca kit
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-10-25, 14:39:16
That's good advice for any combat activity-- meet the people first, and see what the group's requirements and recommendations are.