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Main => The Courtyard => Topic started by: Sir Edward on 2012-04-03, 11:59:50
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They've announced the dates: June 15-17, 2012
They have a facebook event up: https://www.facebook.com/events/359543550751113/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/359543550751113/)
Interesting that it's the 3 days now, and it's the weekend immediately following the close of VARF.
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Crap! I might have a problem making that weekend! :(
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I know, seriously. I wish they left it in January when I have nothing else going on. NHSC is coming up too, plus I have lots of other things going on this summer.
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Huh. Same weekend as Lillies War (http://www.lilieswar.org/ (http://www.lilieswar.org/)).
I can't go as that's the weekend before June Crown and I'll be prepping to compete in that.
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Where's this being held?
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Howard County Sports Center
6742 Dorsey Rd, Elkridge, MD 21075-6205
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That's the place and I will definitely NOT be able to make it as I have to work that Saturday! >:(
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Last year's event was a lot of fun. I need to watch money a bit more this year, though.
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Is there a fee associated with attendance, Sir James? I could make that, I think.
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Is there a fee associated with attendance, Sir James? I could make that, I think.
Last year was ~$100, and $30 extra if you wanted to take the cutting class (for materials)
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Since it is a three day event this year it is substantially more. The most is $175 @ the door.
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Oh. Oh. With that money, I can purchase the next stage of sword classes at VAF...think I'll do that instead.
Tell you what, I am learning quite a bit in the intro class...footwork is a definite weak area of mine.
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Excellent! Why don't you come to our next VARF rehearsal on the 15th @ Sir James' house and show us? :)
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Tell you what, I am learning quite a bit in the intro class...footwork is a definite weak area of mine.
Awesome. Yeah, the footwork is a little tricky at first. As with anything, it gets easier with practice.
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Excellent! Why don't you come to our next VARF rehearsal on the 15th @ Sir James' house and show us? :)
I've nothing to show you that you don't already know, Sir- but I will be there! I'm still awful, but less awful than when I started. ;)
I'm still bleeding off the Hollywood style that I've grown up watching...and am loving it. School was closed for spring break...I actually forgot what that meant. lol
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Excellent! Why don't you come to our next VARF rehearsal on the 15th @ Sir James' house and show us? :)
I've nothing to show you that you don't already know, Sir- but I will be there! I'm still awful, but less awful than when I started. ;)
I'm still bleeding off the Hollywood style that I've grown up watching...and am loving it. School was closed for spring break...I actually forgot what that meant. lol
So how are the classes going? Which instructor do you have?
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Dave's our instructor, and I'm currently working thru the intro to historical sword class. So far, so good...the hardest part for me is to get past the 'embarrassment' of looking dumb - because I know I look it. Ours is a small class, 5 students- a bf/gf team, a mother/son team and me. The second hardest part is learning to hit (and be hit) - you know, in our polite society such things are frowned upon and that ingrained training is hard to get past...I kept pulling shots short of the mark. I'm getting better tho, and working on footwork at home when I can.
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Awesome! Yeah, David's good, he won't steer you wrong. :) It's a shame you have an odd number, since it's a little harder to pair off for drills. Someone always ends up with a 3-person group.
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Yup, I'm the odd man out! I don't care...I'm there to learn and I like that I'm not comfortable with any of them- it'll make hitting them a lot easier. lol
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Yup, I'm the odd man out! I don't care...I'm there to learn and I like that I'm not comfortable with any of them- it'll make hitting them a lot easier. lol
Address them all as 'Pell' and it becomes easier still! ;)
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Heh...I might try that, Sir Brian. At least with the two other fellows in the group!
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Address them all as 'Pell' and it becomes easier still! ;)
"Hi there, pell. Let's get started, pell. Now, pell, stand still. Got it, pell?"
lol :)
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That's going to be just how I approach it too. ;)
Looking forward to class...
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Wow, it sounds like the tournament rules for Longpoint this year are going to be brilliant. This is still subject to change of course, but we experimented with it in class this week. So don't take it as gospel. But this is looking really good.
Basically, imagine the bout going like this. First combatant to 4 points wins. When a touch occurs, the referee will give it a moment to see if there's an after-blow, then call a halt. Then a sequence of questions are given to the judges.
1. Was there a touch? Any touch at all? If so, that's a point.
2. Was it on-target? The target area is the head and torso. If so, that's an additional point.
3. Did the attack have structure? If so, an additional point. A structured attack is one where the attacker was balanced, made a clean strike, and in the case of longsword they kept both hands on the sword.
4. Did they control the weapon? This means after or during the attack, did the attacker keep the line closed or otherwise control the opponents weapon to prevent a counterattack. If they maintained control, that's an additional point.
In the event of a double-kill, the whole thing is discarded.
If there's a "revenge hit" sort of after-blow, completed in a single action after the initial hit, then one of two things happens:
1. If the initial attack scored more than one point, this negates all but one.
2. If the initial attack scored only one point, it's completely negated.
What this means is that if someone makes a completely perfect and flawless attack, they could get enough points to win in the single strike. Most hits will score 1 or 2 points, occasionally 3 if it's pretty decent. And most importantly... Those cheap one-handed leg-shots that leave you open? You can win that way, slowly, but those hits are also easily negated.
Now the actual scoring is probably going to go slightly differently. To handle disagreements of the judges, what they'll probably do is count the two judges points cumulatively. So if they both saw 2-point hits, then the attacker is awarded 4, but it will require 7 to win.
The one flaw I see is this. If someone makes a crap attack, and the after-blow is gorgeous and would be deadly if it were sharps, the best the defender can hope for is zero score for the other guy, whereas in a real fight he probably would have just won.
So anyway, all the guys at MASHS that are practicing hard on those hand snipes and leg sweeps? They might be doing themselves a disservice!
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That sounds awesome! Finally some rules that make sense and gives the proper consideration for the longsword, that being what would happen if they were sharps! I really freaking hate that I'll have to miss this tournament! >:(
btw, are you going to Free play tomorrow Sir Edward?
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btw, are you going to Free play tomorrow Sir Edward?
I'm going to try to make it, yes. I'm turning this into a swordy and armory weekend it looks like. Going to try to work on some projects today, and come hit people tomorrow. :)
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I think that rule set is a phenomenal step up from the way it usually is. The only thing I can think of for awarding points on after blows, is that if I see a grasscutter coming at me, I'll take the hit and go straight for the unprotected head/body - that's a 2 point shot, vs the opponent only getting 1 point for hitting my leg, and I'd come out "ahead" by 1 point. In a real fight, I'd want to keep my leg and hopefully parry instead. :)
I'm glad to see some serious potential for combat with proper form.
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BTW, registration for Longpoint is now open.
http://www.fightlongpoint.com/ (http://www.fightlongpoint.com/)
It's on the weekend of June 15-17, 2012. I don't think I can make it this year. I have a business trip that week.
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Man that kinda sucks! I REALLY hope he reconsiders next years to be sometime around March/April timeframe. :(
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That sounds awesome! Finally some rules that make sense and gives the proper consideration for the longsword, that being what would happen if they were sharps! I really freaking hate that I'll have to miss this tournament! >:(
Did you get a chance to explain the new rules to some of the MASHS guys? I wonder what their thoughts are. I know several of them were specifically trying to practice toward Longpoint.
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Did you get a chance to explain the new rules to some of the MASHS guys? I wonder what their thoughts are. I know several of them were specifically trying to practice toward Longpoint.
Yeah I did discuss it a little with Josh and his friend John who hadn’t been to MASHS before but has been training with some other groups over the past six years or so. I didn’t catch John’s last name but hopefully he’ll come back and train some more with us. The one person who might have the most to say and is the most ‘intense’ about training for Longpoint was there but as you know I’ve pretty much given up on having anything more than the merest of civility towards him. Michael Fuchs was there but showed up a bit late and since I was helping Larry by being his pell for his demonstration I only got to duel with him once and didn’t have much chance to talk with him. But I’ll bring it up at tonight’s session. :)
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I am not able to attend Longpoint as much as I would have loved to be there. I will be in Connecticut on family business during the days Longpoint will be held. However I am certain that those who will attend will have a great time. :)