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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-04-11, 21:26:45
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Anyone know where to get a classical templar great helm? I been intending in replacing my aging kettle helm with one but I am picky about the design of it. I want one thats based off of a historical design and would be period in the 1200s, also want to be able to see out of it well enough, in other words I want it to be fit to my face so the eye slits would line up with my eyes.
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http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet (http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet) is my favorite helmet made on the open market. there are a lot fo Mac Bible helmets out there that are pretty cool too
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What is your price range?
Do you have a pic of the exact exigent type you want?
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Yes in fact I do
(http://www.myarmoury.com/images/features/pic_spot_ghelm09.jpg)
That exact one, I want a replica of it cept maybe with a bit wider eyeholes.
If this isnt period for the crusades maybe i'll go for the earlier design but this one looks coolest IMO because it's somewhat iconic as a "templar" or "teutonic knight" helm.
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Have you contacted any armourers about that helm like Donnogal, Windrose, Icefalcon, Clang, Armstreet, Shamrock, ETC?
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I don't know if any of them sell one just like this. As I said I am very picky about the looks of my armor. I also want it to be functional as well as looking hand made and like an actual replica. I want it in normal steel as well, I don't care if it's stainless as I plan to gunblue or paint it anyway so it shouldn't really matter with rust. Guess I'll have to look at those sites to see what they sell, my budget is pretty low too because I am in the process of purchasing a shield and gambeson to replace my crap I bought back in 2010.
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Post what you want to the Classifieds section of the Armour Archive with price range. What you want is completely doable and any of the armourers can do it.
Here is a list of good armourers to get you started:
Anshelm Arms did the Full Metal Jousting armour.
http://www.anshelmarms.com/ (http://www.anshelmarms.com/)
Windrose Armoury
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/ (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/)
My melon is whole due to Windrose Armoury's (& Donnogal's) work (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=205362546170061&l=55803dc1e7).
Icefalcon Armoury
http://www.icefalcon.com/ (http://www.icefalcon.com/)
Clang Armoury
http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/ (http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/)
Armstreet Armoury
http://armstreet.com/ (http://armstreet.com/)
Shamrock Armoury
http://www.shamrockarmoury.com/ (http://www.shamrockarmoury.com/)
Aesir Metalworks is on Facebook more than their website.
http://www.aesirmetalwyrks.com/ (http://www.aesirmetalwyrks.com/)
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http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-22-crusader-helmet.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-22-crusader-helmet.aspx) i have this helmet. its not bad. it is a tad long from the eyes to the bottom. I'm short so it almost sits on my neck. but it's a nice manufactured piece for the price tag.
as seen here:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs774.snc4/67402_1574086305383_1032321511_31643333_6921319_n.jpg)
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http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet (http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet) is my favorite helmet made on the open market. there are a lot fo Mac Bible helmets out there that are pretty cool too
Incidentally, I just sent them an email asking about the sizing of that helmet, just before I saw your post. lol :)
I'd love to get my hands on a mac bible great helm. Got some cool links?
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I had this helm for a while: (http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/TemplarBarrelHelm.jpg)
But it came unpadded and I needed funds so I sold it. I'm in the process of getting another (read that to mean its on the long list of items to acquire lol) so keep us posted as to what you find.
I think I'm just going to go for the Pembridge and make my way into the late 13th early 14th C.
Edited to add: I just realized it is probably the exact same helm Sir Wolf has in his picture. lol
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Yeah, that product is very similar to what I want, thing is I am around 5 9 not sure if it would fit me properly. Thats the problem with armor, I cant try it on before I buy it. Also the liner would be a pain, unless
This is the very design I want but it says no longer made which is a real kick to the balls: http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=243 (http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=243)
All the best armor is made in europe for some reason, americans seem less picky about historical accuracy. GDFB may just be my choice, shame all the good armorers here are out of business.
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It isn't that Americans are less picky- just that all of the sources for this stuff originate in Europe. You do realize there never was an 'American Knight' right? By the time our country was formed, gunpowder weapons were the norm with the cutlass or saber being relegated to sidearm status. As for sizing of a helm, with judicious use of padding just about any helm can fit. For padding you can use a padded cap, and/or with a coif - or you could put the padding into the helm like a lot of the SCA folks do. Here's a Maj helmet I found on ebaY:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254)
And another Crusade era helm, also on ebaY, different vendor:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150784861888?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/150784861888?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
Personally speaking, I think the first helm might be of better quality, but that's just a guess based on the photos available.
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Here's a Maj helmet I found on ebaY:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254)
Personally speaking, I think the first helm might be of better quality, but that's just a guess based on the photos available.
It does look pretty decent. Wow, the shipping is about $100. The total price with shipping isn't out of the question though, with it coming from Australia.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMPLAR-HELM-quality-leather-liner-chinstrap-16-Gauge-/260952580692?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3cc1fc6254) o my gosh thats awesome. 160 + 100 so 260 is still a great price. i tried several times to make one, the angles are a pain!!!!!!!
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That first helm you linked to Sir William, thats a nice helm. I would probably get it if the shipping wasn't so high. All I really want is a finely crafted great helm, one thats hand made basically. Just may end up taking a GDFB one cause I cant find anything else really. Keep in mind I plan to double it for fighting use.
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They also have one that's a little less mac-bible, and more upright, and it costs a little less than the mac-bible one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRUSADER-helmet-16-Gauge-Medieval-Great-Helm-Templars-/250965617621?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3a6eb76bd5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRUSADER-helmet-16-Gauge-Medieval-Great-Helm-Templars-/250965617621?pt=AU_Militaria&hash=item3a6eb76bd5)
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WOAH, now I want to get that helm, it's basically exactly what I am looking for. Why does it have to be all the way in Australia. My folks aren't too keen on me ordering overseas (I dont have a credit card or paypal so they gotta order it for me), but I would say that helm would be worth it. It just looks so cool and the brass really makes it look a lot better.
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Have you checked out By The Sword? They have a pretty nice selection of early Crusader helms.
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that is true, they do seem to have a lot of the european helmets. over priced, but they do have them.
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http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx (http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx)
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Have you checked out By The Sword? They have a pretty nice selection of early Crusader helms.
I had a less than stellar experience with them a little while ago: http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1072.msg11349.html#msg11349 (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1072.msg11349.html#msg11349)
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I hope I have a better experience. I just ordered that great helm. Fingers crossed!
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WHAT? oh you ASS hahaha jkjk hehehehehehehhee armour envy at its highest!!! ehhehehe i so wanna see it!!
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I have had bad experiences with By the Sword when I ordered my maille rings, though a lot of their stuff looks nice. Bit pricey though, especially for the liners and whatnot in the helms.
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This is the very design I want but it says no longer made which is a real kick to the balls: http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=243 (http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=243)
All the best armor is made in europe for some reason, americans seem less picky about historical accuracy. GDFB may just be my choice, shame all the good armorers here are out of business.
The good armorer's in the US are just very expensive and do exclusively custom work (Jeffrey Hedgecock and Jeffrey Wasson for example are some of the best and most respected in the world). There's just a much smaller market for high-end work in the US. A lot of people in the US want cheap armor and don't care about historical accuracy as much.
A Great Helm is not designed to be perfectly fit to the wearer's head, there's typically a lot of stuff in between the head and the helmet, like an arming cap, coif, and then any lining for the helmet. If you don't mind how historically accurate the padding in the helmet is, you can buy the standard sticky foam from Windrose Armory and easily custom pad up a helmet to fit perfectly to you with very little effort. The foam is cheap, easy to work with, and very protective (it's what most folks use in their SCA helms to get beat on by rattan and not get concussed).
Here's the foam:
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93 (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93)
It's got a sticky back you just peel off and then it sticks to steal with no problem and is removable if you need to take it out or replace it.
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Here's the foam:
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93 (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93)
It's got a sticky back you just peel off and then it sticks to steal with no problem and is removable if you need to take it out or replace it.
Very cool, I hadn't looked at that. My current great helm is using foam as well, but it's that blue camping-pad foam. I hot-glued some sheets of it into place a number of years ago. I'm thinking of either pulling it out to replace it with a more period liner, or hide it by covering it with linen.
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I use that foam in my Windrose Norman and it works pretty well. I only have a 1/2" all around my head in there.
Also a good chinstrap helps lots. The pic attached is what I use. Duke tested, Ivan approved.
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Here's the foam:
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93 (http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_23&products_id=93)
It's got a sticky back you just peel off and then it sticks to steal with no problem and is removable if you need to take it out or replace it.
Very cool, I hadn't looked at that. My current great helm is using foam as well, but it's that blue camping-pad foam. I hot-glued some sheets of it into place a number of years ago. I'm thinking of either pulling it out to replace it with a more period liner, or hide it by covering it with linen.
Hmm, I wonder how the blue cell foam compares to the EVA foam. I've got a bunch of blue stuff around here somewhere.
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Allright this is a bit odd of a request but I found a great helm I liked in this mount and blade game. I'd like to know what design it is and if there are replicas of it, it looks like a Maciejowski bible one though.
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2007/mbwarband20120414225730.png)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5903/mbwarband20120414225733.png)
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Yeah, I'd say the closest thing to it is the round-faced mac-bible helms.
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looks very similar to the helm Joe Metz is wearing in his recent kit photo on the DoK facebook thread, he might be your best point of contact
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looks very similar to the helm Joe Metz is wearing in his recent kit photo on the DoK facebook thread, he might be your best point of contact
The one he's wearing in those photos is the one I just ordered as well:
http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx (http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx)
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Yep, definitely closest to a mac-bible helm.
http://www.scametalwork.com/personal/patterns/mac_bible_helmet_instructions.pdf (http://www.scametalwork.com/personal/patterns/mac_bible_helmet_instructions.pdf)
Platener makes a pretty close version of that (and some cool armor in general too):
http://www.platener.eu/helmy.html, (http://www.platener.eu/helmy.html,) scroll down about 2/3 of the way. He takes orders from the US.
Another option would be to ask Svan if he could do some custom modifications to his 'standard' helmet: http://www.forgeofsvan.com/en/vmchk/%D8%EB%E5%EC%FB/%D2%EE%EF%F5%E5%EB%FC%EC/Detailed-product-flyer.html (http://www.forgeofsvan.com/en/vmchk/%D8%EB%E5%EC%FB/%D2%EE%EF%F5%E5%EB%FC%EC/Detailed-product-flyer.html)
Extra rivits around the crown plate, cut the bottom flush instead of tapered, and extend the front nasal plate all the way to the crown ... would be almost exactly the same.
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yup thats what i would say it is to. 1240-1260s