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Ian:
Spend a good chunk of time studying mid to late 15th century Milanese harnesses for the Armet look, or 16th century styles for the close helm look.
Here are some photos of the 'typical' looks that those helm styles usually go with. The first is the 'armet' and the second is the 'close helm.' The close helm probably comes in more variety of styles than the armet, so browse. But realize that the typical close helm wearing, knight in shining armor that most people think about isn't medieval at all, but a renaissance thing. What you want to do now is spend a LOT of time studying and familiarizing yourself with the *real* objects through good sources.
Mid - Late 15th century Milanese harness featuring Armet
16th Century Equestrian Armor featuring a Close Helm
Henrik Granlid:
Here's a different view of the 16th century armours linked by Ian.
And the Armet can be seen quite early in the 15th century, but the more iconic version is, as shown by Ian, very alligned with the late Milanese equestrian harnesses.
A good point to start for sca (not for living history) is. Landsknecht kit with hidden plastic armour and only a close helm and gauntlets visible. This is not the historical use of them, but for sca, it will look good and you can build your kit over time feom the top down. However, for proper kit building, you'll want to start from the inside out and your helmet will be one of the last pieces, fitted over your breastplate and throat protection.
EDIT:
Actually found a kit you could start on as I was thumbing through my pinterest, since, for SCA, you can do at least a part of it in plastic (the cuirass) and thus save money and get in gear slightly quicker. But remember, this is a big comittment no matter how you do it.
It has been quoted as the "Armour of Don Sancho de Avila Germany (Augsburg), 1560."
Here you have some of my albums. They're not perfect, the helmet one has plenty of modern stuff in it, and the overview-one is sorely lacking in milanese harnesses.
Brief History overview:
https://www.pinterest.com/granlid/a-brief-history-of-armour/
Helmets:
https://www.pinterest.com/granlid/helmets-for-inspiration/
And then, if you want to study existing Milanese pieces, there's a great album over at MyArmoury
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=21152
I think I've given you what tools I can, now it is up to you to do the rest.
westcoastgio:
I have a fight legal cuirass and an early SCA great helm already. I plan on using the pieces I have while adding pieces that will match the final look I want, and replace the helm and cuirass last.
honestly, if the look in my head is more renaissance than medieval, I'm not too worried about it. I just want it to be semi historical and what I think of when I think of a knight. though I am more than a little frustrated to learn that the weapon system and armor system I think of when I think of knights are separated by centuries.
I am researching the heck out of things, you guys (mostly Ian) keep suggesting books and I keep buying and reading them.
westcoastgio:
well, I achieved my short term goal, thanks to some loaner gear from a friend, I am now equipped to legally fight with the SCA.
the dropbox link is to a picture of me in the harness with my 'uge shield and SCA sword
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y6j52jphhyakhks/IMG_24441.jpg?dl=0
now I have to work on my midterm goal: making my current rig more comfortable, less ugly, and actually learn how to fight.
My long term goal remains, I want a respectably historical late period milanese rig. and toward my long term goal I am still researching, both the history, and some reputable smiths.
Sir Rodney:
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Yea! :)
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This order: #2, #3, #1. Hitting people with sticks is fun for the whole family. ;)
--- Quote from: westcoastgio ---My long term goal remains, I want a respectably historical late period milanese rig. and toward my long term goal I am still researching, both the history, and some reputable smiths.
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You underestimate the power of the 14th century...
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