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Why do you want to be a Knight?
« on: 2015-01-19, 00:22:48 »
I asked this question on the West Kingdom Unbelts Facebook page:

In one paragraph or less "Why do you want to be a Knight?"

And no fair trying to use Protestant-inspired Renaissance Philosophy to try and re-frame the question to try and get out of it. My skills of Bull**** Artistry (aka Standup Philosophizing) are strong.
« Last Edit: 2015-01-19, 02:47:09 by Thorsteinn »
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #1 on: 2015-01-19, 02:48:12 »
I want to be a Knight, to wear the Whitebelt, for a few reasons: Because it would be a recognition from my peers that I'm good at my art, that all my hard work & pain meant something to them. As a social symbol it will be one to wash away the inherent doubt I see of my words, as so often there is just because I see different. It would be a symbol to the one's afflicted like myself that finally we will be accepted for who we are and judged not by our labels but by the quality of our deeds. One must be first so why not me? Why am I not good enough? Why can't I be the harbinger of change?
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #2 on: 2015-01-19, 04:59:43 »
I want to be a knight for a few reason. But I find it difficult at times for people to understand my path to knight hood. In the eyes of my peers and most of society around me this is a childish and dorky goal. For us that are here right now understand that this is an achievement of ones path to chivalry. In the Middle Ages this was an extremely important title and to a degree it still is today. I seek to become a knight to show people the kind of character I am and the dedication I have placed into my life. Also, I believe it helps create a symbol so that others may feel the courage to do right and even possibly seek to become a knight. Becoming a knight, like I said, would mark an achievement in my life. It is something that I would have spent a large portion of my life to obtain the honor of that title. Much like when one works for his doctors.
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #3 on: 2015-01-20, 20:22:05 »
Though  I don't have an answer to the question, I do want to relate an interesting thought that occurred to me when thinking about it.

There are many forms of "knight" these days: knight of the order of the Marshall, knight of the SCA, and others including actual, real knighthood. Back in the medieval period becoming a knight was much more straightforward than it is today. Depending on culture, there were but few clear paths to knighthood. To harmlessly (and greatly) oversimplify matters, either you were born to it, or you paid for it, or some such straightforward means (with occasional and comparatively rare field promotions etc). There was rarely a question of how famous a person one was, or how skilled, or how virtuous or even how rich. But today to become a knight of even our non-noble knighthoods require great degrees of proof and evidence that you're worthy of the title. I'm not complaining, just making an interesting observation.

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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #4 on: 2015-01-20, 22:35:55 »
Though  I don't have an answer to the question, I do want to relate an interesting thought that occurred to me when thinking about it.

There are many forms of "knight" these days: knight of the order of the Marshall, knight of the SCA, and others including actual, real knighthood. Back in the medieval period becoming a knight was much more straightforward than it is today. Depending on culture, there were but few clear paths to knighthood. To harmlessly (and greatly) oversimplify matters, either you were born to it, or you paid for it, or some such straightforward means (with occasional and comparatively rare field promotions etc). There was rarely a question of how famous a person one was, or how skilled, or how virtuous or even how rich. But today to become a knight of even our non-noble knighthoods require great degrees of proof and evidence that you're worthy of the title. I'm not complaining, just making an interesting observation.

Well in the christian military orders, it was still possible for men of lower class to achieve knight hood, but it took a lot more time than the wealthy. (time and proving yourself)

As my thoughts on why I want to be a knight because I feel it goes hand and hand with everything I am doing in life, trying to be a worthy order member, becoming catholic, and re-enacting a 12th century Templar. I do not know how strong my skills of philosophizing are, but I don't think it should be ruled out. If someone Believes they should be a knight of some sort in the modern world because of whatever inspirations, I say let them strive for it.
It also comes down to what I grew up with: Knights in shining armor. So why not try to amount to that? although much of my intentions certainly have changed this past year. Especially with the desire of accuracy being impeded into me by myself.  Come to think of it, my want to become knight was pretty selfish. I didn't do it for anyone else originally, now I feel I'm making a point for the greater good.
 
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #5 on: 2015-01-21, 00:05:46 »
Quite the loaded question! Pardon the long paragraph...

When I was young, I wanted to be a knight. I grew up with an interest in medieval weapons and armor, both European and Japanese, through movies and games. I wanted a suit of armor, a sword, a horse, a castle, and so on. I like weapons and armor. I like WMA/HEMA. I like the excitement kids get when someone in armor talks to them. I had that experience as a teenager. About 20 years ago I got my first (not wooden) sword, and about 15 years ago I got my first suit of armor (that wasn't cardboard or carpet). I did one year of SCA combat. With armor, with a sword, even with fighting, I didn't FEEL like a knight. I quit seeking it. I never went back to the SCA. I went to the MD Renn Faire in mundane clothing for the next decade. More than 10 years after I quit chasing knighthood, the Order was founded, I had a renewed interest in the concept, and though I didn't ask it or feel worthy, I was put forth for the accolade. Now, I simply try to live up to the honor.
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #6 on: 2015-01-21, 14:39:38 »

Loaded question indeed. :)

While pages upon pages can be written on the topic, if I just summarize down to a couple of sentences, then simply put: I had always been seeking knighthood, for many years without realizing it, as simply an outward expression of what I was already inwardly doing. It's a combination of tasting the edge of a historically inspired adventure, as well as providing inspiration and incentive to "keep me honest" so to speak, and help me to stay on the path that I had set out for myself at an early age, to uphold virtues such as honesty, honor, courage, humility, loyalty, and courtesy. The martial aspect is simply icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned, since swords had a lot to do with how I got drawn to this whole historical thing to begin with. :)
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #7 on: 2015-01-22, 19:50:59 »
Knighthood is merely a human construct, a labeling of sorts for a path of life many seek but few follow. Knighthood in its truest sense (not in its historical sense) to me embodies a lifestyle of self-improvement and servitude. Love yourself and love others. But what makes Knighthood standout is that it calls those who pursue it to actually exercise that love. Love without works is empty and meaningless. I want to be a knight  so I can help myself to help others. Being a knight is more than just holding open a door, or giving a seat to a lady. It is about service to the community, about helping someone and not bragging about it, about focusing on mental and physical cultivation. Knighthood is a calling to be the best version of yourself. That is what I seek. I want to be the best that I can be, so I can have more to offer the world. And I would like to offer that to the world through volunteering for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the needy. I, for one, have a strong desire to become a member of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta. For they are the last remnants of medieval knighthood. They've been around for 1000 continuous years, and though they do not fight any more, they serve the world through humanitarian aid. They put their money where their mouth is so to speak, and every knight should do that. I aspire to not only be a good person, but to actually exercise that goodness.
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #8 on: 2015-01-23, 02:01:35 »
Knighthood is merely a human construct, a labeling of sorts for a path of life many seek but few follow. Knighthood in its truest sense (not in its historical sense) to me embodies a lifestyle of self-improvement and servitude. Love yourself and love others. But what makes Knighthood standout is that it calls those who pursue it to actually exercise that love. Love without works is empty and meaningless. I want to be a knight  so I can help myself to help others. Being a knight is more than just holding open a door, or giving a seat to a lady. It is about service to the community, about helping someone and not bragging about it, about focusing on mental and physical cultivation. Knighthood is a calling to be the best version of yourself. That is what I seek. I want to be the best that I can be, so I can have more to offer the world. And I would like to offer that to the world through volunteering for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the needy. I, for one, have a strong desire to become a member of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta. For they are the last remnants of medieval knighthood. They've been around for 1000 continuous years, and though they do not fight any more, they serve the world through humanitarian aid. They put their money where their mouth is so to speak, and every knight should do that. I aspire to not only be a good person, but to actually exercise that goodness.
I think that is why it is so good that members of the Order such as Ed and Brian, Organize Demos for to raise money for charity.


Loaded question indeed. :)

While pages upon pages can be written on the topic, if I just summarize down to a couple of sentences, then simply put: I had always been seeking knighthood, for many years without realizing it, as simply an outward expression of what I was already inwardly doing. It's a combination of tasting the edge of a historically inspired adventure, as well as providing inspiration and incentive to "keep me honest" so to speak, and help me to stay on the path that I had set out for myself at an early age, to uphold virtues such as honesty, honor, courage, humility, loyalty, and courtesy. The martial aspect is simply icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned, since swords had a lot to do with how I got drawn to this whole historical thing to begin with. :)


when I explain that it is very important for knight to uphold Honesty,honor, courage, humility, loyalty, and courtesy.  Most of those are really just every day life. I find some of them more passive like Honor and loyalty. Yet others more immediate, like Courage, Honesty, and courage. Humility is an in between for me, since it can be self acceptance. It goes with being able to shake off if people mock you, and not being too proud and stuck up to take jokes. Even to tell the difference.
I think the point I'm trying to make, is that I forget how difficult these virtues are, or how many people are lacking in them/ how hard it is for some to amount to them. I think since Ive surrounded myself with so many like minded people and been accepted by them, I forget how unique these virtues are in today's society at times. Other times I find members of society lacking in them extremely.

Heh, sorry that I cut into a different subject like that :P
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #9 on: 2015-01-25, 04:04:02 »
There are many fine and accurate examples that has been listed of both the historic and modern philosophical conceptions of knighthood. For me it was a slow realization that I had been on a chivalric path my entire life and one that really didn't come to fully understand until I met other men and women walking the same path and it is both surprising and regrettably disappointing of how few folks are on this journey we share in common.
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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #10 on: 2015-04-13, 18:32:09 »
 Ah, Knighthood. Why ?
At in my 60s I look out at mankind and see a mess. Especially men. Men of all ages. I am Celtic and native American by decent .
I think I understand that something has been stolen from us. Warriorhood, defender, honor, loyalty, and a since of Nobility by our actions and words. I desire to be a Knight in all aspects of my life. A servant of the King, my King Jesus. I seek to help men understand how important it is to carry out a code of chivalry to place purpose in life. To be an example to those around me that they to can achieve high honors be doing good to all. As a Christian Knight I defend all those who seek to worship freely, and those are searching for truth.  In April of 2008 I was Knighted by clergy to defend the gospel, to work at and achieve attributes that bare out to others goodness. I will not falter in this by God's will and desire to fight for all men.
    I do own swords, I do not fight with them but can. I spent 20+ years as a tactical woods fighter in the 18th century realm.
So I understand the glory if you will of the fight. I'd like to think not to old to still do so.

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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #11 on: 2015-04-15, 17:40:51 »
Brother Daniel,

Duke Frederick of Holland, MSCA, dropped folks off at the party that started the Society for Creative Anachronism in 1966. And he still fights. IIRC he will be putting on armor at Pennsic this year. The oldest fighter in the SCA is in his 70's.

So you are entirely right. You are NOT to old to fight. Now go kick all the ass.!  :D

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« Reply #12 on: 2015-04-16, 15:42:50 »
Ah, Knighthood. Why ?
At in my 60s I look out at mankind and see a mess. Especially men. Men of all ages. I am Celtic and native American by decent .
I think I understand that something has been stolen from us. Warriorhood, defender, honor, loyalty, and a since of Nobility by our actions and words. I desire to be a Knight in all aspects of my life. A servant of the King, my King Jesus. I seek to help men understand how important it is to carry out a code of chivalry to place purpose in life. To be an example to those around me that they to can achieve high honors be doing good to all. As a Christian Knight I defend all those who seek to worship freely, and those are searching for truth.  In April of 2008 I was Knighted by clergy to defend the gospel, to work at and achieve attributes that bare out to others goodness. I will not falter in this by God's will and desire to fight for all men.
    I do own swords, I do not fight with them but can. I spent 20+ years as a tactical woods fighter in the 18th century realm.
So I understand the glory if you will of the fight. I'd like to think not to old to still do so.

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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #13 on: 2015-04-21, 12:27:40 »
Ideology, simply put, a good Knight strives to serve others and is reminded to try and be a better person each day. As simply stated as it is, it is a daily challenge, and one that we don’t always achieve, but the journey is more important than the destination. The mark of a Knight is a reminder of those goals, the oath we make to god, others and to ourselves, and what we stand for when challenges test us.

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Re: Why do you want to be a Knight?
« Reply #14 on: 2015-04-22, 02:27:56 »
I have been walking this path for many years. From a very young age I was raised as a gentleman. My elders taught me that the way of the gentleman was based upon the ways of chivalry and that despite the way of the modern world for good or ill, proper comportment would never go out of the world in the hearts of true men (or women for that matter).

In my opinion, when one behaves as a gentleman and embraces the Code in their hearts every day, then one is already in part, a Knight.  But let us go a step further and consider the etymology of the word 'Knight' which to my knowledge refers to one who gives service - so being a gentleman and actively seeking to do service, especially service that is in the interest of the greater good - are already knightly behaviors.

Why would I want to be a Knight then?  Well in some ways I already am one, yet I believe that knighthood implies a greater depth yet beyond courage, morals, spotless manners and a desire to serve. I believe it also entails a feeling of brotherhood and acceptance into a gathering of like minded and similarly dedicated folk. I was once a part of such a worthy band, years ago but this has, sadly faded from the world. Since finding the Order of the Marshal my interest in such a feeling of gentlemanly community has been genuinely piqued once more.
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