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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #15 on: 2014-09-15, 11:44:44 »
I long for a HEMA chapter nearby... in the meantime I wish I could find more instructional videos like these. Nice.

Try this HEMA Alliance sponsored Club Finder site.  ;)

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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #16 on: 2014-09-15, 21:54:58 »
I long for a HEMA chapter nearby... in the meantime I wish I could find more instructional videos like these. Nice.

Try this HEMA Alliance sponsored Club Finder site.  ;)

http://www.communitywalk.com/user/view/81443

Great site, that is where I found the Hema longsword place in Philly.
(Though I still haven't gone)
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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #17 on: 2016-05-06, 03:16:51 »
Interesting from a SCA perspective and you did good.

Guards you should were Plow, Italian variation is Posta di Breve (Short Point) and you also showed Vadi's Posta Longa con la Spada Curta (Short End Long Guard). Nebenhut or Posta Coda di Longa (Long Tail).  Ochs, Posta di Finestra (Window Guard), Vadi's Posta di Finestra Vera (True Window Guard). 

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The Italian system also seems to favor a thrust more which is fine but I don’t consider thrusts to have as much duel ending probabilities as a solid cut does except of course with harnischfechten where the thrust is king

Which is true to a degree, there are many plays that Fiore will use a thrust to set for a technique ending in a cut and vice versa.

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Heh, I find that amusing, since to me, the German system comes off as rather simple in concept. It's also delightfully medieval, in the sense that if a bunch of things are mostly similar, they must be the same thing, so they're lumped together. ;)

One thing that's cool about the German manuscripts too, is that for the most part, they're not always written with the approach of "this is the way it must be done", but rather, "here's something that works, try this"

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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #18 on: 2016-08-03, 03:22:39 »
Talhoffer (German tradition) favors the thrust and I agree as the thrust is a quick strike (shortest distance between two points) and a strike is more easily deflected as there is more time to react. I also see more internal damage occur from a puncture wound than a cut although there are exceptions to this. I have applied the thrust and I have seen others apply the thrust so quickly as to score in a match before the opponent knew what happened.
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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #19 on: 2016-08-03, 05:02:03 »
Talhoffer (German tradition) favors the thrust and I agree as the thrust is a quick strike (shortest distance between two points) and a strike is more easily deflected as there is more time to react. I also see more internal damage occur from a puncture wound than a cut although there are exceptions to this. I have applied the thrust and I have seen others apply the thrust so quickly as to score in a match before the opponent knew what happened.


Also remember shorter is not necessarily faster. A lot of the issue of the thrust v the cut in perceived speed is about perception and taking advantage of a weakness in the design of the human eye & brain.


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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
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Talhoffer (German tradition) favors the thrust and I agree as the thrust is a quick strike (shortest distance between two points) and a strike is more easily deflected as there is more time to react.

I would be careful with that statement.  Talhoffer favors certain techniques that utilizes both cut and thrust (same with Fiore); and questions to ask is "Which thrust covers the most distance?" or "What cut can be employed the fastest?"  Both Liechtenauer and Fiore have movements that use cuts leading to a thrust (Zorhnau and 1st Play in the Zogho Largo) and thrusts leading to either a cut, pommel strike, half sword technique, slice etc (Speaking Window, Setting Aside parried leading to a Zwerchau, Winding parried leading to a Snapping, Breaking the Thrust leading to a false edge cut).  My point is to get familiar with the movements so as to make the better decision to use the cut or thrust in the appropriate moment.
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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #21 on: 2016-09-08, 23:34:18 »
I have applied the thrust and I have seen others apply the thrust so quickly as to score in a match before the opponent knew what happened.

Also valid with strikes, the vorschlag
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Re: My vid on longsword stance.
« Reply #22 on: 2017-02-09, 16:26:15 »
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Also valid with strikes, the vorschlag

That is also true.
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