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Rondel Dagger Sheath
« on: 2014-05-11, 18:54:41 »
Whenever you see a rondel dagger on an effigy it is always housed in a peculiar style of sheath.  Rondel dagger scabbards have a sheath with a cup at the top of the sheath that receives the first rondel.  The rondel closest to the blade should be sheathed along with the blade itself.  Unfortunately, no one who commercially makes sheathes for rondel daggers makes them like this.  Here's an effigy so you can see what they look like:



The book Knives and Scabbards also documents an extant find.

Solution: MAKE ONE!

So this weekend while I was at at James Barker's home working on patterning for clothing, we decided to make a sheath for my A&A rondel dagger.  We made it from 4 oz leather, and then basically did what you'd do to make a simple knife sheath molded leather around the rondel to form the cup and shaped it while wet to get it right.  Then sewed it up, let it start to dry.  James did the tooling work to match the design on the extant find, and then we dyed it and here it is (I may put a chape on it but am undecided):



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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #1 on: 2014-05-12, 01:24:40 »
Very cool!
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #2 on: 2014-05-12, 07:27:32 »
Sweet! Well done!
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #3 on: 2014-05-12, 14:57:40 »
That is beautiful
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #4 on: 2014-05-12, 17:09:01 »
Awesome!
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #5 on: 2014-05-12, 18:33:18 »
Great work! It looks awesome!
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #6 on: 2014-05-13, 05:12:26 »
Very nice Ian.
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #7 on: 2014-05-13, 13:22:27 »
i call farb, cause u let jamesb help lol hehehehe

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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #8 on: 2014-05-13, 16:02:58 »
i call farb, cause u let jamesb help lol hehehehe

:)  He's the one who figured out how to do the cup!  He also taught me how to do the tooling (he did what you see on my sheath).

I'm toying with the idea of taking commissions on dagger and knife sheaths if anyone's interested.  I'm going to try my hand at historical purses as well since 90% of the ones on the market are very much wrong.
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #9 on: 2014-05-14, 03:51:37 »
Very nice work, especially for an afternoon of fun!

How did you finish the seam?  What method/tools did you use for the tooling?  Inquiring minds are dying to know.   :)
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #10 on: 2014-05-14, 13:10:37 »
Very nice work, especially for an afternoon of fun!

How did you finish the seam?  What method/tools did you use for the tooling?  Inquiring minds are dying to know.   :)

JamesB did the tooling, he used a stylus to impress the surface of the leather.

For seams you have two options as outlined here in Knives and Scabbards from the Museum of London Series:


We did the flesh/grain stitches on this one (it's certainly easier to do):
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #11 on: 2014-05-14, 15:45:51 »
I'd be in for a dagger sheath, Sir Ian- love how yours came out.  I like the rondels as well, unlike the usual circular ones you see on much of what's available online.
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #12 on: 2014-05-14, 16:48:50 »
Excellent work, as always.  How did you do the embossing? Also, how will it be suspended?

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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
« Reply #13 on: 2014-05-14, 17:16:52 »
Excellent work, as always.  How did you do the embossing? Also, how will it be suspended?

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The embossing was done by impressing the leather with a stylus while the leather was still cased.  I will eventually add a leather or cord thong to hang it over the plaque belt. 
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Re: Rondel Dagger Sheath
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