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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #15 on: 2013-09-05, 01:29:15 »
First off,

Douglas, that's a beautiful kit you're sporting.  Really nice.
Thank you, my good sir. :) There's about a year's worth of labor right there, but it's a labor of love. lol

Or you could make them, which honestly isn't too hard.
What would you say would be the most efficient and/or accurate way of attaching something like that to a helm? Specifically the ones that come out of the side of the helm.
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #16 on: 2013-09-05, 13:06:49 »
Crests mounted on the side are way trickier than top mounted ones. Bolts are feasible, but unadvised since you really get the tightness that holds it in place from the sides of the helmet against your noggin.
I suppose you could try using a large screw into the wood from the inside and covering the projecting head with some padding.
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #17 on: 2013-10-15, 01:19:15 »
This is somewhat pertinent to my original topic.

Here's the helm I'm making to which I had intended to add a crest. I'm still leaning towards the Teutonic "wings" just because I like how they look, but I'm not sure yet; they would probably take a little bit of engineering ingenuity. The original piece that the helm is based on has holes along the top that were supposedly for mounting a crest, so if I poke holes in it, I suppose it would still be "correct" should I decide to remove the crest to use the helm with a different kit.

Or, I might just leave it as is, in which case it wouldn't be relevant to the original topic at all. ::)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #18 on: 2013-10-15, 02:51:00 »

That should work pretty well. Drilling some holes to have attachments is probably the most accurate way to do it.

Using velcro and magnets like I did, not so much. :)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #19 on: 2013-10-15, 16:55:00 »
Make two helmets, one with holes on the top, one with holes on the side. :)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #20 on: 2013-10-15, 21:02:20 »
no make 3 helmets, one with holes on the top, one with holes on the side and one for me

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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #21 on: 2013-10-24, 00:42:20 »
Okay, I've got some horns in the works. I was originally going to attach "fins" on them like in the Tannhauser image and the pics in the original post, but I'm not sure yet. Any ideas or suggestions as to what the best thing to make them out of would be? ???
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #22 on: 2013-10-24, 05:04:29 »
You could drill holes along the horn outside, and put feathers in them. It would look wing-like. A much more difficult method would be to cut slots along the outside, and insert a thin leather or wood wing into the slot.
Just some ideas. Did I mention your shaping is superb? Good work thusfar!  :)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #23 on: 2013-10-24, 08:15:08 »
Truly an excellent job on the helm and the horns thus far! I can't wait to see the finished project! :)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #24 on: 2013-10-24, 12:59:47 »
Wonderous job, well done. Cant wait to see the finished product.

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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #25 on: 2013-10-24, 13:03:14 »
those rock.

feathers, leather would both work for your needs. some holes and glue should hold them to the wood i would think. are you gonna drill the helmet and put small bolts from the inside into the horns?

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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #26 on: 2013-10-24, 14:38:52 »
I was going to suggest what Sir Nathan mentioned, adding slots with leather "wings". Getting the shaping right might be difficult though.

And agreed, great work on the wood shaping! It looks really good! I know if I tried that, my problem would be getting them to match each other. :)
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #27 on: 2013-10-24, 16:05:19 »
Thank you, good sirs! ;D
And thank you for the suggestions. Sometimes my biggest problem is deciding what I want to do and narrowing down my options, but now I have someplace to start.

are you gonna drill the helmet and put small bolts from the inside into the horns?

Yeah, I was thinking about drilling out a pair of holes on each side approximately where the holes are on the original Bolzano helm, give or take a few centimeters, then screwing them on from the inside. The horns are fairly light, so hopefully that will be enough to hold it.
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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #28 on: 2013-10-24, 16:52:52 »
Thank you, good sirs! ;D
And thank you for the suggestions. Sometimes my biggest problem is deciding what I want to do and narrowing down my options, but now I have someplace to start.

are you gonna drill the helmet and put small bolts from the inside into the horns?

Yeah, I was thinking about drilling out a pair of holes on each side approximately where the holes are on the original Bolzano helm, give or take a few centimeters, then screwing them on from the inside. The horns are fairly light, so hopefully that will be enough to hold it.

btw, wheres a picture of mine at?

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Re: Teutonic great helm...now with wings?
« Reply #29 on: 2013-10-24, 17:20:59 »
Yes, great job on the shaping! And nice T-Stake in the background too. :D
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